tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4456348657596914237.post2423860438491580539..comments2024-03-29T01:19:46.849-04:00Comments on Eco-Evo Evo-Eco: The zombie grantBen Hallerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17875404974157070805noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4456348657596914237.post-85876403139619858402017-05-29T22:12:59.952-04:002017-05-29T22:12:59.952-04:00Wish I was more confident that your experience is ...Wish I was more confident that your experience is typical, Dan. But I wonder if the experience of another friend of mine is more typical. Getting invited for a full proposal on the first try and getting very good evals but not funded. Revising conscientiously, getting invited for a full proposal again, and not getting funded again, with reviews that suggested undoing some of the changes the first set of reviewers wanted. Trying a third time after further revision, and this time not even getting invited for a full proposal.<br /><br />Ok, in truth I'd be reluctant to generalize from any individual's experience with one grant. And your message that "everybody gets rejected, often" is well-taken. I'm just less sure about the "persistence pays" lesson. Presumably, sometimes it pays and sometimes it doesn't, and it seems like it can be hard to judge when it will pay and when it won't. Dr. Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02948439373673427525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4456348657596914237.post-32540268007325664672017-05-22T23:34:11.089-04:002017-05-22T23:34:11.089-04:00The counterbalance to “this costs too much” ought ...The counterbalance to “this costs too much” ought to be how many good papers are likely to result from the work. If you divide the size of the grant by the number of good papers that came out of it, suddenly it doesn't look so expensive any more! Also important is the number of people that ended up being supported by the grant. Big grants like this create a whole ecosystem around them; if it's a productive ecosystem making important and unique contributions, then it's worth the money.Ben Hallerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17875404974157070805noreply@blogger.com